Thank You Everyone!
12.04.09 | Ariane |
Thank you to everyone who donated to the campaign in its six-month donation phase. We raised a phenomenal amount – during a credit crunch, no less – and special thanks should go to Simon Bishop, Richard Williams, Malcolm Dodd, Andrea Busby, Oliver Rowland, Deedyi, Dave Worrall, Gordon Livesey, and everyone else who kept the page alive and helped make the campaign such a success.
The JustGiving page is now closed. We’ll keep you updated on everything that’s happening here, but until then, I’ll leave those of you who haven’t yet seen it with this beautiful story:
Thank you again for your generosity, and see you soon.
299 Responses to “Thank You Everyone!”
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August 27th, 2009 at 8:37
@ 198
Malcolm’s question was:-
“Please tell me why, when the “flood” occured in 2348 BCE (a not insignificant event), it was not noticed at the time by those documenting the Egyptian 5th and the 6th dynasties?”
To relieve everyone’s breathless suspense let me guess what the results of imissbubby’s “research” will be:
a) they forgot to write it down; or
b) the ancient Egyptians didn’t exist; or (and I think the most likely);
c) the egyptologists and archeologists have got their research wrong and the 5th & 6th dynasties were after the flood; or (as last resort),
d) divine intervention of some sort.
August 27th, 2009 at 14:42
Hi Quedula
You really are not yet into the twisted mindset of the creationists as you have omitted the obvious answer:
e) The 5th dynasty was wiped out by the flood and the 6th dynasty was formed by Noah’s offspring.
Please Quedula, do your research properly, I thought that you were intelligent!!!
Peace and greetings to all.
August 27th, 2009 at 19:23
Dear Richard:
“Yeah – particularly, evil Christians.”
————Guess what happens when you wipe out religion? People still commit evil acts. Then what? (This has been my point to you.)
“And then you contradict yourself again! In the same paragraph you say “Islam needs to be destroyed… not the people… the religion”. Then when I give example of Christians murdering in the name of their God it’s: “Religion is not the problem!”
—————Guess what happens when you wipe out religion? People still commit evil acts. Then what? (Still my point.)
“And I note you are unable to make comments supporting creeps like Ham and Hovind, who have made millions out of gullible Christians and their children.”
——————You are taking advantage of gullible university students by teaching them lies about science, indoctrinating them into your quacky, angry religion and using my tax dollars to do it. I will fight you until the end.
“Instead you make comments about an author you hate (Dawkins) in an amatuer attempt to ignore the justified criticism about your beloved creationist heroes.”
————–Im against you, people like you and Dawkins. Even if you take God off the dollar, out of schools, create mystical sooth saying science, you’ll never stop us from praying or reading the Bible or preaching repentance and eternal life. I suppose you can start letting the lions loose on us again or burning our Bibles again. Nonetheless, you’ll never destroy us. We will live forever and you and your hate for God will become the biggest embarrassment to you and your family. Richard, you need to turn from sin and turn to God. Today.
August 27th, 2009 at 19:59
Tee hee, I think we are getting to him . . . .
August 27th, 2009 at 20:29
————–Im against you, people like you and Dawkins. Even if you take God off the dollar, out of schools, create mystical sooth saying science, you’ll never stop us from praying or reading the Bible or preaching repentance and eternal life. I suppose you can start letting the lions loose on us again or burning our Bibles again. Nonetheless, you’ll never destroy us. We will live forever and you and your hate for God will become the biggest embarrassment to you and your family. Richard, you need to turn from sin and turn to God. Today.
Blimey, that was a bit of a rant. At least it shows you in your true colours, you first came here as an understanding christian, but it appears you are running scared at the prospect of your religion going the way of all the other religions before it.
Most of us are happy for you to believe in whatever it is you want to believe in, what we are against is religious bullies trying to scare people with threats of everlasting damnation. We are against religion in politics, we are against using your god to justify a war in the middle east.
A secular state, where you are free to follow your religion, or any other religion, and people are free to choose not to follow a religion without fear of harassment. All religions should pay taxes, televangelism would be outlawed and religious quacks like Peter Popoff would be outlawed.
You carry on praying, and I’ll carry on with my life as I see fit. I’m every bit as good a person as any religionist, I’ve been a firefighter, served in the Air Force, I’ve participated in charity fund raising, and I give to charities regularly. I don’t need forgiveness, and I certainly don’t need to be judged by some pompous, self righteous arse wipe christian.
August 27th, 2009 at 20:45
“I don’t need forgiveness, and I certainly don’t need to be judged by some pompous, self righteous arse wipe christian.”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Spot on Pete. You’ve made my evening!
August 27th, 2009 at 21:23
You’re right quedula, he’s lost it!
Poor sod was more upset about his dollars being spent teaching kids the truth. I’m surprised he was able to find gainful employment.
// you’ll never stop us from praying or reading the Bible or preaching repentance and eternal life. //
Jeeez, I wouldn’t want to stop you – it’s keeping you occupied! Asylums are full of nutters like you, so you carry on rocking to-and-fro, praying to your imaginary friend. I’m sure the walls are nice and soft.
But please be kind to the nurses – they’re only there to help you.
Goodnight imissbubby. Pleasant dreams.
August 27th, 2009 at 21:24
Dear Quedula,
You don’t need forgiveness?
Why is that?
Are you perfect?
Better than the rest of us?
Do you base your righteousness on yourself?
(That’s what self-righteous means, by the way)
August 27th, 2009 at 21:36
Dear Pete:
“it appears you are running scared at the prospect of your religion going the way of all the other religions before it.”
———–Running scared? I don’t understand: I live in the comfort of the Holy Spirit..you’ll never destroy me. I risk nothing. You are risking everything. You are filled with anxiety about the future and fearful of death.
“what we are against is religious bullies trying to scare people with threats of everlasting damnation.”
————-You can’t get mad at Christians for saying that. That’s what is written in the Bible. Get mad at God while youre home alone. Dont take it out on us.
“We are against religion in politics, we are against using your god to justify a war in the middle east.”
————–Are you against a German painter using evolution to justify genocide?
“A secular state, where you are free to follow your religion, or any other religion, and people are free to choose not to follow a religion without fear of harassment.”
————-Who is harrassing you for being an atheist?
“You carry on praying, and I’ll carry on with my life as I see fit. I’m every bit as good a person as any religionist,”
————–Youre not perfect, Pete. You need forgiveness from God.
“I’ve been a firefighter, served in the Air Force, I’ve participated in charity fund raising, and I give to charities regularly.”
—————Youre trying to justify your goodness based on your own righteousness. What youre saying is the equivalent of this: Your airplane about to go down and you think that by jumping out and flapping your arms, you can save yourself. That’s obsurd. What you need is a parachute, right? That what Jesus is. Christianity is not a life improvement program; its a parachute. Jesus is the Savior youve been looking for. Turn from the sin that is killing you and turn to God.
“I don’t need forgiveness,”
————–That’s pretty arrogant. I’d think about that one long and hard.
“and I certainly don’t need to be judged by some pompous, self righteous arse wipe christian”
—————Youre right; you don’t need judgement from a Christian. Youre going to be judged by Jesus Christ. What you need from a Christian is for them to point you to the way, the truth and the life. No one can get to the Father except through Jesus.
August 27th, 2009 at 21:37
imissbubby:
// Are you perfect?
Better than the rest of us? //
Oooh, the irony!!
August 27th, 2009 at 21:38
Dear Richard,
Darwinian Evolution is a lie.
Its being dismanted day by day.
You should read the Freedom of Science Education Acts being passed in the U.S. You can’t keep the truth down anymore, Baby. The state isn’t going to keep protecting steamboat science. Thank Francis Crick for that.
August 27th, 2009 at 21:40
imissbubby:
// ————-Who is harrassing you for being an atheist? //
Are you allowed a mirror in your ce– , sorry, room?
August 27th, 2009 at 21:41
Dear Richard,
You consider our discussion harrassment?
Are you a sissy or something?
August 27th, 2009 at 21:49
Dear Richard,
You don’t get it:
I’m not perfect…that’s why I’ve asked Jesus to forgive me. This is why I’m accepted into Heaven: because I’ve asked for forgiveness, believe Jesus is God and turned from pursuing a sinful life to pursuing a righteous one.
Jesus took the punishment that I deserve for the sins I’ve committed. He rose from the dead because He was sinless; He was God. Death can’t keep Him down. That’s why when you become a Christian you live; the Spirit of God lives inside of you. Sin kills. Jesus brings life.
August 27th, 2009 at 21:51
@imissbubby:
Do sissies worry you?
Tell me, which parts of the bible suggest Darwin was wrong? Most Christians I know don’t have a problem with evolution.
August 27th, 2009 at 21:57
// Jesus took the punishment that I deserve for the sins I’ve committed. //
I bet Jesus thinks you’re a right little shit. I prefer to take responsibility for my own actions, and so should you. Bend over and take it like a man, imissbubby.
August 27th, 2009 at 22:02
Answering imissbubby @207
“You don’t need forgiveness?”
No, I don’t
“Why is that?”
I don’t generally do things that need forgiving. When I have ever knowingly upset anyone I apologise.
“Are you perfect?”
Yes I suppose I am. I’ve successfully passed on my genes and thus done my little bit towards the survival of the species.
“Better than the rest of us?”
That’s for the rest of you to say.
“Do you base your righteousness on yourself?”
Not quite sure what that means. But no I don’t think so. I just try to behave to other people as I would like them to behave to me. “Do as you would be done by” is my maxim.
August 27th, 2009 at 22:11
I think you ought to tell us imissbubby. what were the sins you needed forgiveness for?
Playing with your naughty bits?
August 27th, 2009 at 22:13
Lol!
Well quedula, we may not hear from imissbubby for a while. I expect those awfully nice nurses have given him his medication, changed his catheter bag, wiped his arse, unplugged his PC and switched his light out.
I expect he’ll be having his favourite dream soon – the one where the world gets dominated by foamy-mouthed, intolerant, ranting Christians wearing leather codpieces.
The poor sod.
August 27th, 2009 at 22:21
“I live in the comfort of the Holy Spirit..you’ll never destroy me. I risk nothing. You are risking everything. You are filled with anxiety about the future and fearful of death.”
I have no intention of destroying you or any other religionist, I just want a secular state. I know my future and i don’t fear death, but I do fear HOW I die, I would like the right to take my own life if the prospect of a long painful death is in store.
“You can’t get mad at Christians for saying that. That’s what is written in the Bible. Get mad at God while youre home alone. Dont take it out on us.”
It is the religionists who are trying to tell me how to live my life, so my beef is with them, not a myth. You yourself have a religion, just because it isn’t your religion.
“Are you against a German painter using evolution to justify genocide?”
Oh, you mean the Catholic leader of Germany from 1933 to 1945, yes, and I’m against anyone using religion as an excuse to kill, in fact any excuse to justify killing is wrong. The Klu Klux Klan are a fine example of christian love and kindness.
“Who is harrassing you for being an atheist?”
Anyone who thinks that their religion is the only true religion, I’ve been abused, but fortunately not as bad as many atheists who live in the bible belt.
“Youre not perfect, Pete. You need forgiveness from God.”
I’ve never claimed to be perfect, but I try to be a good citizen, and no I don’t need the approval of a myth, in fact I’d rather have the approval of Santa Claus.
“Youre trying to justify your goodness based on your own righteousness. What youre saying is the equivalent of this: Your airplane about to go down and you think that by jumping out and flapping your arms, you can save yourself. That’s obsurd. What you need is a parachute, right? That what Jesus is. Christianity is not a life improvement program; its a parachute. Jesus is the Savior youve been looking for. Turn from the sin that is killing you and turn to God.”
Thats all mumbo jumbo that you believe, you seem to forget that I don’t.
“That’s pretty arrogant. I’d think about that one long and hard.”
That’s pretty rich coming from a christian, a devotee of the only true god, whilst wishing death upon Muslims. Pot, kettle, black!
“Youre right; you don’t need judgment from a Christian.”
So why do you and your ilk continue to judge anyone that doesn’t believe in your brand of god?
Oh, and by the way, mortal man is on the verge of creating life, the last vestige of religious one upmanship.
Man is slowly unraveling the world around him, and each discovery dis-miss’s the fairy stories of the bible, one day the whole myth will collapse in on itself and christianity will go the way of all the religions that came before it.
August 27th, 2009 at 22:56
@imissbubby
http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Take a look at the link above for one of christianities shining examples of the 20th century, they prayed for victory, they believed the god of the bible was on their side, they even believed that they were doing gods work. The sad part is this very scenario is being repeated in America, but at least America has got rid of it’s loony leader, shame it wasn’t done sooner, before all those American troops died unnecessarily in Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvrjZ1ubDyo
The above link should worry you as much as it worries me, the US forces being overrun by religious zealots who think they do gods work.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:07
Hi everyone.
Our creationist friend is rattled.
I do not think that we will ever get an answer to my question. He/she has the usual pathetic arguments copied verbatim from the creationist clap-trap available on the web, but when it comes to Egyptian history the creationists have no credible solution to the conundrum.
Quedula, did you like my suggested solution in 219?
I have just signed up for an Alpha course (should be a good laugh, but what are the odds on me completing it), so in ten weeks or so you may find me joining imissbubby in ranting and raving at you lot of heathens.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:26
Yes Malcolm, I did like it. I think it was probably the killer.
There is also a rather milder question of mine he has never answered too. So he rants instead!
Enjoy the Alpha Course and keep us posted.
August 28th, 2009 at 15:20
Dear Malcolm,
What is an Alpha Course?
August 28th, 2009 at 15:22
Dear Pete,
I don’t wish death to Muslims; you misquoted me. I think that Islam is as bad for people as Evolution and should not be encouraged.
August 28th, 2009 at 15:23
Dear Pete,
LoL. We can’t even create a grain of sand and you think we’re on the verge of creating humans? LoL!!! We cant create anything; we merely rearrange what is already here.
August 28th, 2009 at 15:24
Dear Quedula,
The sins I’ve been forgiven for are just as bad as the ones you’re committing everyday. The guilt won’t go away, you know. Not until you ask for forgiveness.
August 28th, 2009 at 15:26
Dear Pete,
Youre already following what the God of Bible says is right and wrong. Don’t commit murder, don’t steal, don’t lie. You have this inside of you. Don’t you want to know where it came from?
August 28th, 2009 at 15:41
imissbubby @225
You seem to know an awful lot about me without even meeting me.
What sins do you think I’m committing every day? What am I supposed to be feeling guilty about?
August 28th, 2009 at 16:19
Hi imissbubby
Alpha course at http://uk.alpha.org/questions.
Note that your god has not answered a single one of the 8,000+ questions.
What is the answer to my earlier question????
Another one for you; the whole virgin birth of a god, three wise men, death, resurrection/Jesus story is an EXACT copy of the Osiris myth of several thousand years BCE. The subsequent identical virgin birth stories in Egyptian history are fully documented and dated. Since the Mary/Jesus story is identical, but WITHOUT any contemporaneous documentation and three decades of Jesus’ life not mentioned in the Bible, why do you not realize that it is a complete myth concocted by men who, at the time, would have no reason to doubt the veracity of stories that we know today are simple fabrications used to explain the incomprehensibility of life and death?
These god myths were also recognized as a powerful means of controlling an uneducated peasant population; education is eroding significantly the power-base of religions to the extent that in Sweden and Denmark (each with a highly educated population) over 80% are non-believers in god. In the USA the figure is 10%, perhaps this figure is a reflection on the education system where 35% of adults could not locate the USA on a world map.
We await your response with interest.
Please do tell us more about yourself, m/f, location, job etc., do not worry we atheists are into jihads or inquisitions!!
Best wishes
Malcolm
August 28th, 2009 at 16:42
Hi again imissbubby
Here is an example of evolution at work:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6101031/From-mousy-to-blonde—in-8000-years.html
Note the last paragraph – “In the bicentennial of Charles Darwin’s birth and on the 150th anniversary of his publication of On The Origin Of The Species, this study vividly illustrates the power of natural selection.”
Just noticed a massive problem with Dr Hopi Hoekstra’s research, he forgot that god created the universe on 23rd October 4004 BCE at nine o’clock in the morning, as calculated by Bishop James Ussher (why was he not a bit more specific)!!!
Cheers
Malcolm
August 28th, 2009 at 16:53
Dear Malcolm,
This is not an example of macro-evolution (Darwinian Evolution.)
This is an example of micro-evolution (variance within a species.) How do we know that? Because we see two mice….of different color.
August 28th, 2009 at 16:53
Hi imissbubby
Just noticed my error on 228, final para should read “do not worry, we atheists are NOT into jihads or inquisitions!!”
I hope that my error did not scare you! We are pretty mild-mannered lot, we even help out Christians with their fund-raising – http://www.justgiving.com/alphaposters/?pid=1475051&dtpn=1#DonationTable
Have a great day
Malcolm
August 28th, 2009 at 17:30
Dear Malcolm:
“Another one for you; the whole virgin birth of a god, three wise men, death, resurrection/Jesus story is an EXACT copy of the Osiris myth of several thousand years BCE. The subsequent identical virgin birth stories in Egyptian history are fully documented and dated.”
—————–Who wrote this story? How many manuscripts are there of this story and where are they located? How many years after the occurance was the biography written? Were there any eye witnesses? Let’s start with that to determine whether this is a true or false story. These stories were written after Jesus’ birth and resurrection but claim otherwise. When you do the research, you’ll find that as well.
“Since the Mary/Jesus story is identical, but WITHOUT any contemporaneous documentation and three decades of Jesus’ life not mentioned in the Bible,
—————Why does it matter to you that we don’t know about His first 30 years?
“why do you not realize that it is a complete myth concocted by men who, at the time, would have no reason to doubt the veracity of stories that we know today are simple fabrications used to explain the incomprehensibility of life and death? ”
————–How can you say the eye witness accounts of Jesus are concocted? How can you say the writings of Paul are concocted? These are the most reliable texts ever written. This is all real history. We have found the archeology that backs up what was written. We found the cities, we have outside politicians and historians that verify the events in the Bible. We have 10,000 Jews who renounced their heritage 2 weeks after seeing the resurrected Christ. Do you know what it means to a Jew to renounce his heritage? You can’t begin to imagine what this means in their culture. This is all documented and verfiable. Go to the John Rylands Library in Manchester, England and see the John Ryland’s MS. Go to the British Museum and find the Codex Alexandrinus. Go to the Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris and see the Codex Ephraemi. Go to the Cambridge library and see the Codex Bezae. Sodom & Gommorah, Jericho, the pool of Bethesda, pool of Siloam, tower of Babel, city of Nazarath, Jacob’s well, Decapolis, the official government Census (I could go on…) have all been found by archeology. In fact, nothing in archeology has been found to contradict the accounts in the Bible. Archeology doesn’t prove the Bible is the word of God. What it does say is that there is a basis for credibility. Historians are not the ones saying obsurd things like Jesus never existed or was concocted. You must look at this the way an objective historian would; they don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. They are more like crime scene investigators. They follow a trail to get to the truth.
“These god myths were also recognized as a powerful means of controlling an uneducated peasant population;”
————-Again with the power and control issues…:-) Malcolm, we need moral government in our society. You have a misunderstanding of God; He wants us to personal wisdom. He wants us to think. Read the book of Proverbs. Read the first chapter of Romans in the Bible: http://www.BibleGateway.com
“education is eroding significantly the power-base of religions to the extent that in Sweden and Denmark (each with a highly educated population) over 80% are non-believers in god. ”
———-I don’t understand why you won’t blame individuals for what they choose to believe. Darwinism, Islam, Mormonism, terrible doctrines. Who’s fault is it they exist? The individual. Who’s fault is it they follow it? The individual. The only way to change a Muslim into a Christian is present the truth to them. We can’t run around killing each other or burning their books because of different beliefs. We must allow for arguements and debates…I can deal with the insults…that’s fine…I wish it wasn’t so, but I can handle it. People must be allowed the freedom to change and grow.
ps) Codex is the word used to describe “books” before they were called “books.”
August 28th, 2009 at 17:32
Dear Malcolm,
A challenge for you:
Pick as many “Alpha” questions as you’d like, and I will answer them.
Blessings, Miss Bubby
August 28th, 2009 at 17:34
Dear Malcolm,
I knew what you meant. I don’t think youre a jihadist. I think youre very intelligent.
August 28th, 2009 at 17:38
Dear Malcolm,
One more thing you said:
“Since the Mary/Jesus story is identical, but WITHOUT any contemporaneous documentation”
————–Historians have confirmed the 32 countries, 54 cities and 9 islands that Luke wrote in his accounts to have been written without a single mistake.
It sounds like you haven’t actually read the Bible. Have you?
August 28th, 2009 at 17:38
imissbubby
No wonder that you do not believe in evolution, you do not comprehend even the slightest smattering of what it is all about. Your problem is that as a creationist you only have about 6,500 years of earth history to contemplate.
Evolution is entirely governed by SMALL changes, but you cannot comprehend in your 6,500 year earth-span that it is the accumulation of these tiny changes over many hundreds of thousands of years before speciation occurs.
August 28th, 2009 at 17:47
imissbubby
You are getting more and more pathetic with your responses. Do go and buy a dictionary and check the meaning of CONTEMPORANEOUS used by me in 235.
Worse still, you are now refusing tto answer the difficult questions.
I have read the Bible and the Koran (and what boring works of fiction they are) So what if the writer of Luke managed to name all of these places without error? The writer of Luke did NOT know the fictional Jesus.
Be careful in your answers, I might issue a fatwa!!!
Malcolm
August 28th, 2009 at 18:20
Hi guys – imissbubby’s medication round must be due soon, methinks.
I note another religious nut has been caught:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6103102/Jaycee-Lee-Dugard-alleged-kidnapper-launches-bizarre-defence.html
Garrido says when his story is known, people will think it “heart-warming”.
No Garrido, you’re just a sick, religious, perverted nut.
August 28th, 2009 at 19:41
Dear Malcolm:
Do you know the difference between micro-evolution and macro-evolution? An example of macro-evolution would be proof that one species became another.
The example you gave was not an example of macro-evolution. It was an example of variation and adaption within the same species – Do you understand that? It was a change within the same species — we can prove this all day long. It was not one species becoming another — this has never been proven or observed.
“Evolution is entirely governed by SMALL changes, but you cannot comprehend in your 6,500 year earth-span that it is the accumulation of these tiny changes over many hundreds of thousands of years before speciation occurs.”
—————In your logic, there simply wasn’t enough time for life (as you see it) to have evolved. In your hypothesis, the Earth is 4.6 billion years old and life formed 3 billion years ago.
August 28th, 2009 at 21:33
imissbubby @239
Rubbish!
August 28th, 2009 at 21:43
Quedula:
You call it rubbish, I call it observable science.
I’m thinking about publishing a book called,
“The Darwinian Struggle Against Science.”
August 28th, 2009 at 21:47
Dear Malcolm,
Luke was a doctor who traveled with Paul (who experienced the resurrected Christ) and Peter (one of the 12 apostles.) He was recording history. As did Paul and Peter.
Youre starting to sound like that little guy from Iran who likes to deny Jewish history. Any relation?
August 28th, 2009 at 21:53
@ Quedula #240
I am not afraid of “the truth,” and I hope that you aren’t either. It has been my experience that evolution must hide behind assumptions, ad-hominem attacks and lawyers. It cannot be exposed to scrutiny, because it disintegrates.
August 28th, 2009 at 21:59
Dear Malcolm,
How about this guy Lyell, the “Father of Geology”, who wasn’t trained in geology. He was a lawyer. He said he pondered the idea that if he was going to discredit history to Moses (the Bible), without offending its believers, he would do it by making up his own history. What’s that all about?
Hm.
Charles Darwin (not a scientist)
Charles Lyell (not a scientist)
August 28th, 2009 at 22:06
Dear Richard, Malcolm, Pete, Quedula:
Can any of you explain why Lyell ignored the polystrate fossils?
Polystrate fossils are so called because they are buried vertically in the rock, cutting through several strata or layers of rock. Hence, “poly” for many, “strate” for the strata of rock. It cuts vertically through many layers.
It is obvious that this fossil plant had to have been buried rapidly. Any idea why he chose to ignore the evidence?
August 28th, 2009 at 22:13
Dear Malcolm:
As a follow-up to how the timeline on evolution cannot be true, here’s how it works:
One simple protein might be an assembly of 200 amino acids. So for each amino in the assembly, there is a 1/20 chance of randomly selecting the correct one. In our protein, we have 20200 different assembly combinations – and only one of those combinations is correct and will work.
Taking 20,000,000,000 (20 billion) years, and multiplying it by 365 days per year, 24 hours per day, 60 minutes per hour and 60 seconds per minute, you get: 630,720,000,000,000,000
seconds in 20 Billion years.
Remember – evolution has no intelligence to call upon to select the correct combination the first time, so it’s hit and miss.
So, dividing our available time into the number of combinations available, we would have to randomly try 15,854,895,991,882,293,252,156,265,854,896,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000
different combinations, every second, for twenty billion years, to produce one protein by unguided processes.
I wonder how many proteins you ate for breakfast this morning? Can you tell me what the math is for one of those proteins that are over 2,000 amino acids long?
Evolution requires an infinite amount of time, but an infinite creator God requires but the twinkling of an eye. Do you now see why, the complexity of life demands a creator?
August 28th, 2009 at 22:51
@imissbubby:
“Polystrate” fossils were debunked 150 years ago. Read and learn:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html
You are one of comparatively few Christians who actively denigrate the achievements of generations of geologists, archaeologists, paleontologists, biologists, dendrochronologists, biochemists, oceanographers, astronomers and physicists by saying they must all be wrong. And some people like you even describe them as evil.
Fortunately, most Christians are decent, intelligent people who have no problem with established fact.
Fotunately, you are in the ignorant minority.
August 28th, 2009 at 23:13
Dear imissbubby
I really wonder if there is any point in discussing any of these subjects with you any further.
You dance on a pin when when the going gets tough and dodge answering every major issue that is raised.
You know perfectly well that there are no contemporaneous accounts of Jesus’ life.
You know perfectly well that Luke had no first hand knowledge of Jesus’ life.
You know perfectly well that we are unable to directly observe speciation because of the time scale involved, but that DNA evidence, fossil records, radiometric dating evidence and the results from countless branches of science all support Darwin’s evolution as the best explanation we have for life on earth. As scientists, we keep an entirely open mind to new developments which may change our understanding of nature. We have no divine belief that Darwin was correct and that his conclusions are unchallengible or unchangeable, if we believed that we would call it faith not science. Your reference to lawyers is of course directed at the evolutionists who had to appoint lawyers as a result of the Kansas School Board attempt to get creationism taught in science. Evolution of course won the day since the creationists could not forward one scintilla of evidence that creationism is science. I dislike ad hominem attacks, but it is fair to criticize the person if the principles they espouse are logical fallacies such as intelligent design and its progenitor creationism.
The Church of England and the Roman Catholic church all now accept evolution (even though it goes against biblical teachings). The only scientists that argue against evolution are those sponsored by Templeton and those that have had the religion virus implanted into their brain, just like I had as a child (luckily I had a friend called Norton Macafee who successfully replaced the god virus with atheism at age eight). The US is to have Dr Francis Collins as director of the NIH, he is an accomplished scientist and he is an evangelical Christian who accepts Darwinian evolution and rejects intelligent design and creationism as portrayed in biblical works.
I would love to hear of scrutiny causing the evolution theory to disintegrate, I will bet that did not come from any mainstream sources.
So please, as a welcome outsider to our site, if you wish to continue participating, you must answer our questions and stop prevaricating with quotes from Wikipaedia et al.