Thank You Everyone!
12.04.09 | Ariane |
Thank you to everyone who donated to the campaign in its six-month donation phase. We raised a phenomenal amount – during a credit crunch, no less – and special thanks should go to Simon Bishop, Richard Williams, Malcolm Dodd, Andrea Busby, Oliver Rowland, Deedyi, Dave Worrall, Gordon Livesey, and everyone else who kept the page alive and helped make the campaign such a success.
The JustGiving page is now closed. We’ll keep you updated on everything that’s happening here, but until then, I’ll leave those of you who haven’t yet seen it with this beautiful story:
Thank you again for your generosity, and see you soon.
299 Responses to “Thank You Everyone!”
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August 10th, 2009 at 21:30
Dear Pete,
“There are atheists that believe child molesting is okay. Is that your problem? Should that reflect poorly on you?” This is the only comment that rattled my cage, so I feel compelled to respond. Are Catholic priests not Christians?”
————-They say they are.
“Explain please, why a North American Catholic diocese had to file for bankruptcy to save itself from paying out millions in compensation to children molested by priests. Where is the goodness of Christianity, and what happened to the morality, the church was more concerned with saving it’s dollars than the souls of the victims.”
————-I’m with you. My only comment on this is: God is not the one doing these things. Man/woman is doing this. Man is infinitely fallible and needs a Savior. In this situation, I would say our part is protect these, and any other children with any/every law enforcement agency with can get to listen.
“Christianity has a long history of violence and immoral deeds, and it hasn’t changed one iota as far as I can see.”
————–Its not just Christianity. Its Communism, Marxism, Islam, African Darfur witchcraft. Why? Because its not religion’s fault unless they are spewing murderous doctrine (Osama Bin Laden, Darwin). Its the individual’s fault. Some people don’t play golf well. Some people don’t do Christianity well. Its not Jesus fault. He came to stop all this and save mankind some the “evil” in their own hearts. We can keep overthrowing regimes but that’s not really going to change what’s inside their hearts. Only Christ can do that. That’s how change really happens. That’s why you didn’t see Jesus overthrowing the Romans even though they were being unfair to the Jews during His time.
“There are so many factions of Christianity now, and they all claim that THEY are the true Christians, just like you do in fact! ”
—————-I’m not in any faction. I believe in the Bible, Jesus, His death and resurrection. Not affiliated with any “sect.” Im biased towards non-denominational because I don’t like “extra” things added to the Bible. But there are Spirit-filled Christians in denominational churches as well. God has a way of appealing to many different kinds of people in their own style.
“This man claims to be a christian, and claims to speak for god, is he right, or are you the righteous one?
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=maeNk2itmMk”
————-Sorry I couldn’t watch the whole thing. Not sure if this man, Fred Phelps, is reading his Bible. Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian anymore than sitting in a garage is going to make you a car.
August 10th, 2009 at 21:36
“So what you are saying is that some people were especially picked by god because they were especially picked by god. Wow, that’s a good argument! Unanswerable. I give up.”
————–What I’m saying is I don’t know why and neither does anyone else. God is in total control and He decides who, what and when. I’m sure there were others who WE could say would’ve “qualified.” I wish I could be one of them but its not up to me or anyone else to decide. This is an example of what we call in Christianity, “the sovereignty of God.”
August 10th, 2009 at 22:15
@imissbubby
If your god is so in control of everything, why were her agents molesting children, why does she allow so many to claim to speak on her behalf, whilst lining their pockets with ill gotton gains. Why do the poorest god fearing of her followers suffer, such as the tsunami victims, and why did she allow the church roof to fall in on her most loyal supporters one Sunday morning in Brazil?
Seems your god isn’t too good at looking after her own, or there is the possibility that god only exists in the mind of man.
How did you come to chose your brand of god, why not one of the many other gods? If I had to follow a god I think I’d chose one that didn’t threaten me with everlasting pain and torment. Fear and intimidation isn’t much of a sales gimmick, but it worked for the Catholic church and the Mafia alike.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:09
@imissbubby
I recommend you have a look at this book. I think it might help you to put the Bible in its correct historical perspective:-
http://www.amazon.com/Who-Wrote-New-Testament-Christian/dp/0060655186
August 11th, 2009 at 17:16
Libel case continues after denial
of permission from Court of Appeal
Simon Singh’s statement
Tuesday 11th August 2009
Sense About Science
http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/390
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August 11th, 2009 at 19:38
Dear Quedula,
Have you read this book?
August 11th, 2009 at 19:58
“If your god is so in control of everything, why were her agents molesting children, why does she allow so many to claim to speak on her behalf, whilst lining their pockets with ill gotton gains.”
—————How would you do it differently? Would you burn these guys to a crisp immediately? Evil is not a problem that can be solved with power. God can destroy these people if He wants to. However, people (like me and you) have the potential for both good and evil. If He destroys people, He’ll destroy something evil but also destroy something good. That’s why power does not solve the problem of evil in the human heart.
What we have to do is radically realign our thinking so we see the goodness of God despite the distortion caused by the sin in our hearts and the evil in the world.
“Why do the poorest god fearing of her followers suffer, such as the tsunami victims,”
—————–and Jesus (we live in a fallen world when people would even kill an innocent Man.)
“and why did she allow the church roof to fall in on her most loyal supporters one Sunday morning in Brazil?”
—————–I don’t know.
“Seems your god isn’t too good at looking after her own, or there is the possibility that god only exists in the mind of man.”
————–It is not possible God only exists in the minds of men. We can look at creation and see there was a Creator. Just like you look at a painting and know there was a painter. How? Because you have common sense. You don’t have to know the painter to know someone took oil and painted a canvas.
“How did you come to chose your brand of god, why not one of the many other gods?”
———–Because Jesus is the only One who really solved the problem. The real problem in life is; “What do you do with the crimes of humanity?” No one else has any solution to this problem but Jesus.
“If I had to follow a god I think I’d chose one that didn’t threaten me with everlasting pain and torment.”
—————So you want a weak and unjust god that lets murderers, rapists, child molestors into Heaven? Or do you want a God that burns them to a crisp the minute they do somthing wrong? How about something in the middle? A middleman — that waits and waits and waits and waits for people to repent before judging them.
ps) Should the nation have no laws? No potential of punishment? That doesn’t seem right does it?
“Fear and intimidation isn’t much of a sales gimmick, but it worked for the Catholic church and the Mafia alike.”
—————Oh. I see. You think youre perfect. You think you don’t need forgiveness. Have you ever told a lie? Stolen something? Looked at a woman with lust? Should God let liars, theives and adulterers into Heaven?
Pete, don’t let anyone convince you Christianity is a life improvement program. Its a parachute. Don’t go looking for the comfort first. You’ll end up with a lot of soft soap and wishfull thinking.
August 11th, 2009 at 21:03
@imissbubby
If this god of yours was so omnipotent, why does she allow all the evil to occur in the first place?
Your religion seems to be more like a ‘get out of jail free card’ such that you can be as bad as you like in this life, if you accept Jesus and ask his forgiveness you’re forgiven and your place in heaven is reserved.
I’d rather live my life to my best ability and enjoy it now, because I don’t believe there is anything after.
Anyway, you’re boring me now, because you’re coming out with the usual apologetic excuses for your god, if she did exist all those innocent people living in shanty towns wouldn’t have been swept away by a tsunami.
August 11th, 2009 at 21:09
155 imissbubby
Eh? What book?
August 11th, 2009 at 22:15
“If this god of yours was so omnipotent, why does she allow all the evil to occur in the first place?”
———-God created us with free will. With free will, comes good and bad. As you well know…
“Your religion seems to be more like a ‘get out of jail free card’ such that you can be as bad as you like in this life, if you accept Jesus and ask his forgiveness you’re forgiven and your place in heaven is reserved.”
————Youre assuming God is going to take you in just because you ask. He’s not your lap dog. You have to ask Him to accept you. The Bible says He has refused MANY who call Him “God.” Why? Because He knows who you really are. He cannot be mocked. He’s omniscient and omnipresent.
“I’d rather live my life to my best ability and enjoy it now, because I don’t believe there is anything after.”
————–Reality has a way of dropping a brick on our head when we start making things up that aren’t true…. or deny those things we know are true….doesn’t it?
“Anyway, you’re boring me now, because you’re coming out with the usual apologetic excuses for your god,”
————–You were looking for a juicy, fairy tale weren’t you? LoL. This is reality, Pete! You can keep trying to hold it down, but its going to keep popping out of the water.
“if she did exist all those innocent people living in shanty towns wouldn’t have been swept away by a tsunami.”
————–You’re trying to invent a reality that doesn’t exist. By definition, God is smarter than you. You can’t begin by thinking you have all the answers. Assume your ignorance in light of His omniscience and then start your investigation.
Or you can keep going down a puny, small-minded, arrogant road. Reality isn’t going to change because you don’t like it. You’ll keep raging and its just going to stand there, looking at you, ignoring your rants.
Take care*
August 11th, 2009 at 22:17
Quedula:
You sent me a link to a book and I would like to know if you have read it.
August 11th, 2009 at 22:27
@Pete #157
Afraid I was bored with the current ‘imissbubby’ thread a good few posts ago.
There is a recent post on YouTube, it’s an interview with Dawkins entitled ‘What Have the Noughties Done for God’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZJ_N4OW-7U
In it he says that it’s difficult to have a conversation with a ’sophisticated modern christian’ because it’s like punching a sponge where they’ll say about anything that you throw, ‘oh well that’s not my kind of christianity’.
Time and again, reiligious types come here to argue the toss against atheism and always they pose the same arguments. Wouldn’t it be good if for once, something new could be brought to the party!
By the way, (incase ‘imissbubby’ takes my quoting of Dawkins as proof that I want to make Dawkins GOD), I chose athesim a long long long time before I knew that Dawkins was banging on about it.
August 11th, 2009 at 22:43
Dear Pete,
Reality is boring, is it?
Well, there you have it; you’re looking for a feel good myth and what you keep getting is reality.
Maybe after you turn 30.
Good luck with your life!
August 11th, 2009 at 22:46
Wonder why your boy Dawkins doesn’t spend an immense amount of time and money chasing the flying spagetti monster or fairies?
Don’t you think its bizarre that he made a career out of chasing something he says doesn’t exist?
That’s sounds like insanity to me.
He can’t be trusted. He’s crazy.
August 11th, 2009 at 23:02
‘Don’t you think its bizarre that he made a career out of chasing something he says doesn’t exist?’
No, he (and others) have found that religion and religious thought poisons society and so is now rallying against those who would poison.
Of course, you’ll have a comeback on this.
Funny though, if it weren’t for Ariane Sherine’s gentle campaign, then all these religious apologists (including you ‘imissbubby’) wouldn’t be here trying to convince use that the athesists with thier independant thinking are wrong.
Funny that I’ve NEVER thought to go to a religious website and troll there.
Aye, whatever!
August 11th, 2009 at 23:09
@imissbubby:
“Don’t you think its bizarre that he made a career out of chasing something he says doesn’t exist?”
And you waste your life worshipping something that doesn’t exist… oh the irony!
@Pete & Quedula:
Your very elloquent points are wasted on this guy. He has the reasoning powers of a troll, he smells like a troll, he has the closed mind of a troll… so he must be a…. duck!
August 12th, 2009 at 1:07
Dear Richard:
God does exist and science, your conscience and Creation all proves He exists.
August 12th, 2009 at 1:13
“No, he (and others) have found that religion and religious thought poisons society and so is now rallying against those who would poison.”
————-As we have discussed before, its not religion that poisons. Its people. Darwin, Peter Singer, Osama Bin Ladin, Ahmedinijad, et al. are the only ones preaching the doctrines of murder and genocide. Dawkins should be writing books about how murderers are masquerading as Darwinian Evolutionists. Would that not be a great thriller!
“Of course, you’ll have a comeback on this.”
————-Of course.
“Funny though, if it weren’t for Ariane Sherine’s gentle campaign, then all these religious apologists (including you ‘imissbubby’) wouldn’t be here trying to convince use that the athesists with thier independant thinking are wrong.”
————–You don’t sound like an independent thinker. You sound intellectually dishonest.
“Funny that I’ve NEVER thought to go to a religious website and troll there.”
————–I don’t know what you mean by “troll” but I’m sure the Christians would welcome you with open arms.
August 12th, 2009 at 7:23
@imissbubby
‘Maybe after you turn 30.’
Mmm, now the insults are coming, must be a troll.
People do indeed kill people, but WHY are they killing people, in Irag Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims are killing each other, the US military is rife with Cristian zealots who think they are doing gods work.
The Crusades was a Christian war against Islam, the Spanish catholic missionaries traveled with the invading forces to convert or kill African and South American tribesmen. The Inca’s would probably still be worshiping the sun if they hadn’t been forced to follow a false god, at least the sun DOES exist, and it keeps us alive.
“He has the reasoning powers of a troll, he smells like a troll, he has the closed mind of a troll… so he must be a…. duck!”
Not a crockoduck I hope!!!
August 12th, 2009 at 12:06
@ imissbubby
‘“Funny that I’ve NEVER thought to go to a religious website and troll there.”
————–I don’t know what you mean by “troll” but I’m sure the Christians would welcome you with open arms.’
Oh I think you do know what I mean.
You call me ‘intellectually dishonest’, well I’m intellectually honest enough to reason for myself that god does not exist and neither you nor other religious apologists have been able to talk me round to believing otherwise.
You know the atheist arguments and yet you cannot understand the arguments or refuse to understand them.
I suspect that you are intellectually indoctrinated.
What is the phrase-’Don’t Feed the Troll’
Good bye and may you be happy with your imaginary friend.
August 13th, 2009 at 14:56
There’s probably no cod
- Greenpeace expresses
doubts about cod’s existence
Greenpeace Canada has launched billboards and
bus advertisements that parody a controversial
campaign from a Canadian atheist group.
Marketing Magazine
http://tinyurl.com/qd3hke
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August 14th, 2009 at 2:16
The Atheist and the Bishop
BBC Radio 4, 8:00pm-8:45pm
Wednesday 19 August 2009
Three-part series in which an atheist and a bishop come together to
apply their own philosophies to the experiences of people they meet,
with Jane Little chairing the discussion. 1: The atheist philosopher
Dr Miranda Fricker and Lord Harries of Pentregarth, the former Bishop
of Oxford, tackle suffering and death.
http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00m1nlm
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August 14th, 2009 at 18:29
UKTV
Revelations: How Do You Know God Exists?
Channel 4, Sunday 16 August, 7:00pm
Film maker Antony Thomas (who previously made Death of a Princess) chats
to a brace of Archbishops, the Chief Rabbi and prominent Hindu and Muslim
leaders about how their beliefs connect with the world today. He covers
some of the tough issues – why can’t Anglicans handle the idea of women
bishops? Why is the Catholic Church impeding the use of condoms in the
fight against AIDS? The answers aren’t very convincing. Despite this,
some viewers will think Antony Thomas lets the clerics off lightly,
although he reveals in the Radio Times that he is no longer a
believer himself. [Source: NSS Newsline]
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/revelations/episode-guide/series-8/episode-1
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August 14th, 2009 at 18:59
UKTV
Deliver us from Evil
More4, Tuesday 18 August, 10:00pm
An unmissable Oscar-nominated documentary that
explores the case of Oliver O’Grady, a former
Catholic priest, who was sentenced to 14 years
in 1993 for sexually abusing children. The
interviews with his victims are heartbreaking
and the sheer indifference to their pain by
the Vatican is infuriating. [Source: NSS Newsline]
Deliver us from Evil – trailer
http://www.deliverusfromevilthemovie.com/index_flash.php
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August 16th, 2009 at 0:24
Dear Roy:
“You call me ‘intellectually dishonest’, well I’m intellectually honest enough to reason for myself that god does not exist”
———-Based on what? It cannot be because of science that you don’t believe in God.
” and neither you nor other religious apologists have been able to talk me round to believing otherwise.”
———-Just like thiefs don’t go around looking for policemen. It sounds like you’re not willing to consider the evidence for the claims of Christ for fear that you would be convinced and would have to change your life. Other well-known atheists have refused to be intellectually honest with the basic historical/scientific facts concerning God and the birth, life, teachings, miracles, death, and resurrection of Jesus. You’re not alone.
“You know the atheist arguments and yet you cannot understand the arguments or refuse to understand them.”
———I understand them all and see no logic in beneficial mutations (which have never been observed or biologically reproduced) and natural selection which is simply a sorting mechanism and proves adaptation, not macro-evolution. Spontaneous generation has never occured or been reproduced. And if it were reproduced, then that proves it requires Intelligence to do it. If youre basing your worldview on Darwinism, you’re being misled. Or lied to. I see no other alternatives.
What I see is a world created by intelligence. Origins of biologic code must come from from intelligence; there is no other answer.
“I suspect that you are intellectually indoctrinated.”
————Into what? I have not been a Christian my whole life. I didn’t become a Christian until I looked into the historical, archeological and scientific evidence for the Deity of Christ. I have many reasons why I believe what I do.
“Good bye and may you be happy with your imaginary friend.”
————–Take care, Roy.
August 16th, 2009 at 0:33
“People do indeed kill people, but WHY are they killing people, ”
———-Because they’re following their evil side. Its feels good to them to be evil. Look at you. Does it feel good to you not to bow your knee to God? You seem to be enjoying it from what I can tell. You need forgiveness as much as they do.
“in Irag Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims are killing each other, the US military is rife with Cristian zealots who think they are doing gods work. The Crusades was a Christian war against Islam, the Spanish catholic missionaries traveled with the invading forces to convert or kill African and South American tribesmen. The Inca’s would probably still be worshiping the sun if they hadn’t been forced to follow a false god,”
—————And Hitler would be ruler of the world right now if “Christian zealot” military hadn’t stopped Him. Start blaming the right person. Its not God’s fault people kill each other. Do you understand that? I don’t think you do. You seem to have a big “victim” mentality.
The survival of the fittest doctrine is the doctrine of murder. Get mad about that.
August 16th, 2009 at 0:34
Dear Pete:
“People do indeed kill people, but WHY are they killing people, ”
———-Because they’re following their evil side. Its feels good to them to be evil. Look at you. Does it feel good to you not to bow your knee to God? You seem to be enjoying it from what I can tell. You need forgiveness as much as they do.
“in Irag Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims are killing each other, the US military is rife with Cristian zealots who think they are doing gods work. The Crusades was a Christian war against Islam, the Spanish catholic missionaries traveled with the invading forces to convert or kill African and South American tribesmen. The Inca’s would probably still be worshiping the sun if they hadn’t been forced to follow a false god,”
—————And Hitler would be ruler of the world right now if “Christian zealot” military hadn’t stopped Him. Start blaming the right person. Its not God’s fault people kill each other. Do you understand that? I don’t think you do. You seem to have a big “victim” mentality.
The survival of the fittest doctrine is the doctrine of murder. Get mad about that.
August 16th, 2009 at 0:37
Dear Richard:
You said:
“And you waste your life worshipping something that doesn’t exist… oh the irony!”
I worship and spend my time on something I
BELIEVE EXISTS.
Richard Dawkins, spends his time on something he
DOESN’T BELIEVE exists.
Do you understand the difference?
I spend my time on things I believe are true.
He spends his time on things he believes are false.
That’s kinda weird, don’t you think?
August 16th, 2009 at 0:40
Dear Roy,
Do you know that Richard Dawkins refuses to debate well-known, intelligent Creationists?
What’s he so afraid of?
Others have done it.
August 16th, 2009 at 2:11
‘———-Just like thiefs don’t go around looking for policemen. It sounds like you’re not willing to consider the evidence for the claims of Christ for fear that you would be convinced and would have to change your life’
What is the evidence of god and of christ?
Can you give me Christian websites that I can troll on, so that I might have them pray for me?
August 16th, 2009 at 6:53
imissbubby: “… intelligent Creationists”
Lol – surely an oxymoron?!
August 16th, 2009 at 8:35
imissbubby has no comprehension of what true scientists count as evidence.
It is emphatically not what goes on in his mind. Nor is it in what ancient people once wrote down in trying, from their primitive world views, to make sense of their existence.
We are all born with the power to reason. Some people (mostly scientists I suppose) nurture and develop it; others, usually of low intelligence and high gullibility, allow it to be swamped by emotional neediness and turn to Invisible Magic Friends.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:50
imissbubby: “Richard Dawkins, spends his time on something he DOESN’T BELIEVE exists.”
Oh dear, you’re wrong again, imissbubby! Dawkins spends his time on things which do exist. Things like the delusions religious people like you suffer from.
But I don’t think you are able to “see the difference”.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:16
Hi imissbubby.
Unsure why I am wasting my time with you, but I suppose it is because I am fascinated by your ignorance of science, nature and history.
Please tell me why, when the “flood” occured in 2348 BCE (a not insignificant event), it was not noticed at the time by those documenting the Egyptian 5th and the 6th dynasties?
August 19th, 2009 at 16:36
Dear Malcolm,
Let me get back to you on that. I don’t have an answer on the tip of my tongue.
Have a great day. Miss Bubby
August 19th, 2009 at 16:38
Good Morning, Richard W!
“Dawkins spends his time on things which do exist. Things like the delusions religious people like you suffer from.”
————-And that’s important to him because_____?
August 19th, 2009 at 16:41
Dear Quedula, You said:
“imissbubby has no comprehension of what true scientists count as evidence.”
—————–I think they count what is testable & observable. Also what can be proven logically and mathematically. Darwinism does not fall into any of these catagories.
“It is emphatically not what goes on in his mind. Nor is it in what ancient people once wrote down in trying, from their primitive world views, to make sense of their existence.”
—————–How about what modern science says? Does that matter? Check this out:
SCRIPPS PhD DISSENTS FROM DARWIN
Edward Peltzer, University of California, San Diego (Scripps Institute)
“As a chemist, the most fascinating issue for me revolves around the origin of life. Before life began, there was no biology, only chemistry – and chemistry is the same for all time. What works (or not) today, worked (or not) back in the beginning. So, our ideas about what happened on Earth prior to the emergence of life are eminently testable in the lab. And what we have seen thus far when the reactions are left unguided as they would be in the natural world is not much. Indeed, the decomposition reactions and competing reactions out distance the synthetic reactions by far. It is only when an intelligent agent (such as a scientist or graduate student) intervenes and “tweaks” the reactions conditions “just right” do we see any progress at all, and even then it is still quite limited and very far from where we need to get. Thus, it is the very chemistry that speaks of a need for something more than just time and chance. And whether that be simply a highly specified set of initial conditions (fine-tuning) or some form of continual guidance until life ultimately emerges is still unknown. But what we do know is the random chemical reactions are both woefully insufficient and are often working against the pathways needed to succeed. For these reasons I have serious doubts about whether the current Darwinian paradigm will ever make additional progress in this area.”
Edward Peltzer
Ph.D. Oceanography, University of California, San Diego (Scripps Institute)
Associate Editor, Marine Chemistry
August 19th, 2009 at 16:46
Dear Quedula: You said:
“imissbubby has no comprehension of what true scientists count as evidence.”
————-How about this guy. Do you think he knows what constitutes evidence?
Chris Williams, Ph.D., Biochemistry Ohio State University
“As a biochemist and software developer who works in genetic and metabolic screening, I am continually amazed by the incredible complexity of life. For example, each of us has a vast ‘computer program’ of six billion DNA bases in every cell that guided our development from a fertilized egg, specifies how to make more than 200 tissue types, and ties all this together in numerous highly functional organ systems. Few people outside of genetics or biochemistry realize that evolutionists still can provide no substantive details at all about the origin of life, and particularly the origin of genetic information in the first self-replicating organism. What genes did it require – or did it even have genes? How much DNA and RNA did it have – or did it even have nucleic acids? How did huge information-rich molecules arise before natural selection? Exactly how did the genetic code linking nucleic acids to amino acid sequence originate? Clearly the origin of life – the foundation of evolution – is still virtually all speculation, and little if no fact.”
August 19th, 2009 at 16:50
Dear Roy, You asked:
“What is the evidence of god and of christ?”
———the laws of Nature, the human conscience and our natural desire for justice.
“Can you give me Christian websites that I can troll on, so that I might have them pray for me?”
———–Yes. But you have to be nice when you visit. lol.
August 19th, 2009 at 18:08
imissbubby: //“Dawkins spends his time on things which do exist. Things like the delusions religious people like you suffer from.”
And that’s important to him because_____?//
Blimey imissbubby! You might have missed the whole point of the ABC campaign!!
It’s important because deluded religious fanatical people can be very dangerous. Some fly aircraft into skyscrapers, others murder doctors and nurses, and still more just kill each other (and non-believers) in the name of their various god(s).
Many religious people are also very gullible, and tend to believe what “pseudoscientists” tell them. Creationist ’scientists’ like Kent Hovind and Ken Ham, who purchased their dodgy doctorates from diploma mills, will happily spread ignorance to the gullible, and their unfortunate children. Of course, Hovind and Ham have made millions of dollars in the process.
August 19th, 2009 at 19:09
@imissbubby 187 &188
You appear to be trying to impress me with scientific quote-mining without fully understanding the fundamentals. I am not a biochemist but I do know that the origins of the amino acids essential for the protein building blocks of life has not yet been explained. This in no way throws doubt on the way evolution has operated over the last 4bn years to produce, from the first micro-organisms, the diversity we see today.
You would be on much firmer ground if you simply claimed that your god seeded a meteorite with the necessary amino acids and put it on a collision course with Earth.
A god like that would probably see you out whereas the fantasy you insist on is, as Sir Julian Huxley put it, “. . beginning to resemble the fast fading smile on a cosmic cheshire cat”.
August 25th, 2009 at 21:12
To let you know, there is a bus campaign going in Des Moines, Iowa right now.
“Don’t believe in God? You are not alone.”
It has, predictably, raised a ridiculous amount of controversy.
August 26th, 2009 at 18:15
Atheists on the march in America
Ruth Morris |AFP / Google News
http://tinyurl.com/muxvqu
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August 26th, 2009 at 20:09
What has happened to Miss Bubby?
I asked one difficult question and the reply was (see 184 and 185) “Let me get back to you on that. I don’t have an answer on the tip of my tongue”.
Answer – ther came none.
Come on Miss Bubby, we expect better!
Did anyone see the programme “Revelations”?
Did it bring tears to your eyes when you saw the effect of the RC “no condoms” policy on the woman in Manilla living in one room with her nine children on an income of 60 pence per day?
Or the RC archbishop in AIDS ridden Kenya burning condoms and sex-education literature?
The programme made me feel proud to have decided on decent morals, free from religion.
Did you note Rowan Williams’ weasel words when asked about hell?
The programme did more to create atheists than any of the wonderful campaigns that are gathering pace around the world.
Peace and good will to you all.
Malcolm
August 27th, 2009 at 0:48
Malcolm
I unavoidably missed ‘Revelations’ but have it earmarked to watch sometime soon (4oD tells me I have 10 days left to view it).
Not going to pre-empt what is in it since that would give fuel to those who would say I have a closed mind.
Roy
August 27th, 2009 at 0:49
Sorry, that was 19 days to watch it, not 10
Roy
August 27th, 2009 at 1:15
Hi Malcolm –
Here I am!
Miss Bubby
August 27th, 2009 at 1:30
Dear Richard,
“Blimey imissbubby!”
———–Is blimey a bad word? I hope not: it has a nice ring.
“You might have missed the whole point of the ABC campaign!! It’s important because deluded religious fanatical people can be very dangerous.”
———–In principal, Christianity cannot lead to evil. Its is the people who do the evil.
“Some fly aircraft into skyscrapers,”
————I agree. Islam needs to be destroyed. The Qur’an teaches vengence. Not the people need to be destroyed, the religion.
“others murder doctors and nurses, and still more just kill each other (and non-believers) in the name of their various god(s).”
————We’ve already been through this. People kill others because the mail didnt come in on time or dinner was bad. Religion is not the problem: evil is the problem. Jesus is the answer you’re looking for. People need to turn from sin, and turn to Jesus. Ask Him for forgiveness and live a sincere, godly life.
“Many religious people are also very gullible, and tend to believe what “pseudoscientists” tell them. Creationist ’scientists’ like Kent Hovind and Ken Ham, who purchased their dodgy doctorates from diploma mills, will happily spread ignorance to the gullible, and their unfortunate children. Of course, Hovind and Ham have made millions of dollars in the process.”
—————LoL. And Richard Dawkins made how much before admitting he never researched the fossil record until deciding to release another book this November? Science has proven the species can only reproduce within their own kind and random mutations is not a creaton agent. Hence, there’s no such thing as speciation. The fossil record has proven that man spontaneously arrived on the scene: there are no transitionary bodies found and we have more than 500,000 fossils on the record. Pasteur finally published the Law of Biogenesis in 1864 and Stanley/Urey proved in 1952 AGAIN that: life can only come from life: There’s no such thing as spontaneous generation. Francis Crick proved that DNA has a biological language that could not have evolved. COULD NOT have evolved. It was created and installed by intelligence. What in the world are you following science for? In 100 years, what we know today will be outdated. What does science keep proving? Its always wrong.
Follow God. You need forgiveness to remove the guilt and shame and set you free.
August 27th, 2009 at 1:32
Dear Malcom,
I forgot to do the research on 185…on the list again…
back to you shortly.
August 27th, 2009 at 7:18
@ imissbubby:
“In principal, Christianity cannot lead to evil. Its is the people who do the evil.”
Yeah – particularly, evil Christians.
And then you contradict yourself again! In the same paragraph you say “Islam needs to be destroyed… not the people… the religion”. Then when I give example of Christians murdering in the name of their God it’s: “Religion is not the problem!”
So your criticism of religion is selective, and therefore insincere.
Nice one imissbubby!
And I note you are unable to make comments supporting creeps like Ham and Hovind, who have made millions out of gullible Christians and their children. Instead you make comments about an author you hate (Dawkins) in an amatuer attempt to ignore the justified criticism about your beloved creationist heroes. Such diversionary tactics are ‘flakey’ at best. Your refusal to criticise Hovind would also indicate that you condone illegal activities, but only if carried out by Christians.
So in this sigle post you show yourself to be ‘insincere’ and ‘flakey’. Have you ever considered a career in the church?