Thank You Everyone!
12.04.09 | Ariane |
Thank you to everyone who donated to the campaign in its six-month donation phase. We raised a phenomenal amount – during a credit crunch, no less – and special thanks should go to Simon Bishop, Richard Williams, Malcolm Dodd, Andrea Busby, Oliver Rowland, Deedyi, Dave Worrall, Gordon Livesey, and everyone else who kept the page alive and helped make the campaign such a success.
The JustGiving page is now closed. We’ll keep you updated on everything that’s happening here, but until then, I’ll leave those of you who haven’t yet seen it with this beautiful story:
Thank you again for your generosity, and see you soon.
299 Responses to “Thank You Everyone!”
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August 28th, 2009 at 23:19
@imissbubby:
It’s clear you’ve never studied intracellular physiology!
Simply multiplying the number of amino acids by theoretical combinations with a calculator might keep a ten-year old amused for a while, but it doesn’t present a cogent argument!
Many of the amino acids are unable to combine with each other under normal conditions, so those odds are are drastically reduced.
But the biggest flaw in your post is that you seem to be unaware of the role of DNA in protein synthesis. The whole point of the DNA/mRNA coding is to ensure the right sequence of amino acids in the new protein, according to the 3-base code. That’s why, when you ate bacon this morning, the constituent amino acids from the pork were reassembled in your ribosomes into human protein according to your human DNA code.
Try reading something written by real scientists, rather than on dodgy creationist websites.
August 28th, 2009 at 23:20
Damn, I wrote 248 with the last one that I saw being 243, I missed all of the crap in between.
August 28th, 2009 at 23:23
Double damn. I was just about to make similar points to Richard when his response came up on Outlook, so I will save myself the time since I am knackered, Darwin and Christians have drained me today.
Goodnight all dog bless
August 28th, 2009 at 23:35
Have a good night Malcolm!
Don’t worry, those awfully nice nurses will be unplugging imissbubby’s PC any minute.
I can’t believe he used the old “polystrate tree” argument! Even most creationists know that argument was discredited some time back. Either imissbubby must be using some pretty old creationist websites, or he just couldn’t understand the geology!
He is a silly sod!
August 29th, 2009 at 6:31
imiissbubby@ 241, 243
I notice the quotation marks for “The truth”. You obviously have a very strange understanding of its meaning.
However when I say “rubbish” I mean it in the down-to-earth, everyday sense.
I am surprised that Malcolm, Richard W, et al, are bothering to dignify your rantings with intelligent, considered responses.
You don’t deserve them.
August 29th, 2009 at 14:09
Hi imissbubby
Alpha questions, answers none from god. From you?
Why did you send two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head. 2 Kings 2:23-24?
Why did US President Thomas Jefferson say “Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man”?
My neighbour is an atheist and furthermore he WORKS ON SUNDAYS. How should I kill him?
My son was rude to me today. Should I stone him to death as commanded in the bible?
My daughter cursed me this morning, what method should I use to kill her? Leviticus 20:9-12. Good god?!?!
My good caring atheist wife of 22 years died 4 years ago aged 43. Was this your punishment for not believing in you good god?!?! Was this your punishment to me for not believing in you?
Her organs were used to help others, why is she in hell? Can Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Harold Shipman and Fred West in heaven see her burning in the furnace?
Brady and Hindley tortured children then murdered them whilst they made audio recordings. Dr Shipman murdered some 200+ patients. West and his wife murdered young females and buried them in their house in walls and floors. All are/were religious and after conviction became even closer to god.
When my religious wife was ill and then died age forty-two, many prayed. She died a short while later. Were the prayers not genuine? Were the prayers facing the wrong way? Were there not enough prayers? Were the prayers not co-ordinated? Were the prayers not loud enough? Were the prayers of the wrong type?
August 30th, 2009 at 15:05
I go away fro a couple of day and all hell breaks loose, oops sorry, I shouldn’t have used mythology.
“LoL. We can’t even create a grain of sand and you think we’re on the verge of creating humans? LoL!!! We cant create anything; we merely rearrange what is already here.”
–>Where on earth did you read that we are about the create humans, that’s just your imagination running riot again. What IS about to be created is life at it’s most basic, a single cell, which is where it all began, but where as we are descendants of that original cell, this is a whole new one.
“Youre already following what the God of Bible says is right and wrong. Don’t commit murder, don’t steal, don’t lie. You have this inside of you. Don’t you want to know where it came from?”
I know where it came from, and you already answered it, from within me, or more specifically, from reasoned thought based on what is acceptable in the society in which I live. Had I been living in an Amazonian tribe I might be free to kill and eat any person I want without fear of persecution and have my actions accepted by my peers. Does it not occur to you that there are people in the world that don’t even know what a bible is, and they manage to live within the dictates of a book written by men who never knew that these tribes existed.
The bible wielding missionaries that brought the god to the ’savages’ wrecked established societies they had lived with for many hundreds, perhaps thousands of years.
Those same christians used the ‘Convert or Kill’ technique that they now decry when it’s called Jihad.
August 30th, 2009 at 15:33
Penn & Teller: Vatican Bullshit
Unreasonable Faith
http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/08/30/penn-teller-vatican-bullshit/
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August 30th, 2009 at 17:51
Either our friend imissbubby has gone to ground or she/he is too occupied with getting a top-up of religious fervour and finding answers to our questions at Ken Hams creationist museum.
Penn and Teller really do serve us well; what a shame that they, along with Randi, will not be at the London Amazing Meeting. How many of you will be there? I have a spare ticke that I am willing to sell to imissbubby.
Enjoy the rest of the holiday weekend.
Malcolm
August 30th, 2009 at 17:58
Bugger imissbubby! – it’d be wasted on him/her!
I’ll buy your ticket Malcolm – i missed out on the original sale and draws for those tickets!
August 31st, 2009 at 22:05
Treble damn.
Ticket reserved for you Richard at third the price I was going to charge imissbubby.
September 2nd, 2009 at 2:18
Help us decide: Cast vote
for FFRF’s next bus sign
Don’t miss the View Suggestions
link at foot of page
Freedom From Religion Foundation
http://ffrf.org/busballot/
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September 2nd, 2009 at 8:03
Hi Adam
I would love to join FFRF, but why will they not accept Paypal from UK?
Slogans:
If you don’t preach to my children I promise not to think in your church.
Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man – Thomas Jefferson
September 5th, 2009 at 12:30
Hi everyone (including imissbubbhy; where are you hiding)
Just received this email from my good friend the Psychic Surgeon, Indigo Child Specialist and Founder of the A.B.E Healing method.
Could be a good laugh if one can put up with the music, the fruitcakes should be interesting!!!
Speling and grammer by the sychyk/dj Gary, website at about the same levle. I have emailed Gary to ask why his psychic powers do not alert him to textual errors.
“Hey Guys!
As of Tuesday 8th September I am launching a internet Radio station. The website is –
http://www.abefm.moonfruit.com
check it out!
If you can’t make it for the lauch show tune in to one of our other great shows coming up!
Best of all it’s all free!
Listen with glues ears or just have it as very nice background noise!
Love and Light Always
Gary Mannion”
September 6th, 2009 at 1:46
My friend Gary has replied:
Hi there Malcolm
My spelling is not the best. I must say I’ve never tried to Psychically check my spelling!
Love and Light Always
Gary Mannion
September 9th, 2009 at 1:10
Dear Pete,
You said:
“What IS about to be created is life at it’s most basic, a single cell”
————Again, I say, we can’t even create a grain of sand and you think we’re going to “create” a single cell. We can’t create anything. We only rearrange what is already here. That is why what is here is called “creation.” That is also why the weight of the Earth doesn’t change; because we cannot create anything.
“I know where it came from, and you already answered it, from within me, or more specifically, from reasoned thought based on what is acceptable in the society in which I live.”
————A herd mentality does not explain why you have a sense of justice inside of you.
“Does it not occur to you that there are people in the world that don’t even know what a bible is, and they manage to live within the dictates of a book written by men who never knew that these tribes existed.”
—————-You just made my point. How is it that they manage to live within the dictates of that Book?
“Those same christians used the ‘Convert or Kill’ technique that they now decry when it’s called Jihad.”
—————Really? And what were the names of Christian missionaries that did that?
September 9th, 2009 at 1:33
Dear Malcolm: You asked:
“Why did US President Thomas Jefferson say “Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man”?”
————–You’ll have to ask him.
“My neighbour is an atheist and furthermore he WORKS ON SUNDAYS. How should I kill him?”
————–I don’t know.
“My good caring atheist wife of 22 years died 4 years ago aged 43. Was this your punishment for not believing in you good god?!?! Was this your punishment to me for not believing in you?
Her organs were used to help others, why is she in hell?”
—————No one is in hell yet. She’s in where the rich man went in the book of Luke. She’s there because she chose not to be with Jesus in Heaven.
“Can Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Harold Shipman and Fred West
————-I don’t know who these people are…
in heaven see her burning in the furnace?”
—————-Yes. If you read the book of Luke (16:19-31) the people in “Shoel” (the grave where its very hot) like the rich man, can see the people like Lazarus across the divide.
“Brady and Hindley tortured children then murdered them whilst they made audio recordings. Dr Shipman murdered some 200+ patients. West and his wife murdered young females and buried them in their house in walls and floors. All are/were religious and after conviction became even”
—————–I don’t know these cases and don’t know what is the evidence of their real beliefs. What I can say is that if they truely repented (and ONLY God knows if they did) God forgave them and they will spend eternity with Him. This kind of scandalous grace is what angers you atheists, I know. But that is the goodness of God. God can forgive anything if you really mean it.
“When my religious wife was ill and then died age forty-two, many prayed. She died a short while later. Were the prayers not genuine?”
————–I don’t know.
“Were the prayers facing the wrong way? Were there not enough prayers? Were the prayers not co-ordinated? Were the prayers not loud enough? Were the prayers of the wrong type?”
—————-You’re treating God as if He is some type of natural cause, rather than as a personal, rational Being. You’re attempting to test one aspect of God, His omnipotence. You were asking God for what YOU thought was best and that is a good test for a genie, but not for God. A machine does what we think is best.
What do you think it would be like to be a spiritual being, all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving who understands immediately and completely all the ramifications of any action throughout all time and for eternity and takes into account in any decision, all these ramifications, including the physical and spiritual good that would result, not just in regard to any single person praying, but in regard to everyone and everything in the present and the indefinite future who would be affected?
Remember that prayer is a request. It may granted or denied. Whatever His decision is, we must trust it was for the best because of who He is and what He can see.
September 9th, 2009 at 1:37
Dear Richard, You totally missed the point. You said,
“But the biggest flaw in your post is that you seem to be unaware of the role of DNA in protein synthesis. The whole point of the DNA/mRNA coding is to ensure the right sequence of amino acids in the new protein, according to the 3-base code. That’s why, when you ate bacon this morning, the constituent amino acids from the pork were reassembled in your ribosomes into human protein according to your human DNA code.”
——————Uh, I was talking about the *origin of life* and the *origin of the original proteins,* not how life assembles proteins today. In the beginning, there was no DNA yet, because proteins are needed in the assembly of DNA, and proteins make up the machinery that uses the DNA to make make more proteins! Further to that, DNA by itself is completely and utterly useless without all of these incredibly complex systems (made of proteins) to make use of the DNA.
The point was “How did the first proteins arise,” and has absolutely nothing to do with how incredibly complex, well designed systems produceproteins today. You either did not comprehend what I wrote, or youre deliberately being deceitful.
September 9th, 2009 at 1:57
Dear Malcolm: You said,
“You know perfectly well that we are unable to directly observe speciation because of the time scale involved”
————-It’s never been observed or tested or proven. Why do believe this? There is only proof that species reproduce after their own kind. I’m sticking with the facts. So let’s be perfectly clear: When you start talking about speciation, you’ve left the realm of science and flown into religion.
“but that DNA evidence,”
————-What DNA evidence? There are no beneficial random mutations. Random mutations have their genes scrambled and that results in a loss, not a gain.
“fossil records,”
————-Fossils cannot possibly tell you if one bone is related to another. A bone cannot tell you what it gave birth to or to whom it is related.
“radiometric dating evidence”
————-What radiometric dating evidence?
“and the results from countless branches of science all support Darwin’s evolution as the best explanation we have for life on earth.”
————–I’m still waiting for your proof of all of this. The only thing I see are animals reproducing after their own kind, fossil records that show humans fully formed as deep as we can dig them up and nothing in between. I see that we cannot create life from non-life (Law of Biogenesis) and I see that everything is in a state of decay (2nd Law of Thermodynamics.) And please don’t try to tell me that the sun’s energy reverses entropy — adding energy to anything that cannot use it will only destroy it. Look what adding lots of sunshine does to the leather apolstry in your car in the summer.
“As scientists, we keep an entirely open mind to new developments which may change our understanding of nature. We have no divine belief that Darwin was correct and that his conclusions are unchallengible or unchangeable, if we believed that we would call it faith not science.”
————–Great!
“Your reference to lawyers is of course directed at the evolutionists who had to appoint lawyers as a result of the Kansas School Board attempt to get creationism taught in science. Evolution of course won the day since the creationists could not forward one scintilla of evidence that creationism is science.”
—————Yes, well now, we have a lot of evidence, don’t we? So, were all the Christians stupid during those years when the scientists were wrong?
“The Church of England and the Roman Catholic church all now accept evolution (even though it goes against biblical teachings). The only scientists that argue against evolution are those sponsored by Templeton and those that have had the religion virus implanted into their brain, just like I had as a child (luckily I had a friend called Norton Macafee who successfully replaced the god virus with atheism at age eight). The US is to have Dr Francis Collins as director of the NIH, he is an accomplished scientist and he is an evangelical Christian who accepts Darwinian evolution and rejects intelligent design and creationism as portrayed in biblical works.”
—————Well, you might believe something just because a lot of other people do, but I think for myself and do my own research to make a decision.
“I would love to hear of scrutiny causing the evolution theory to disintegrate, I will bet that did not come from any mainstream sources.”
—————Research the origin of language inside of a single cell.
“So please, as a welcome outsider to our site, if you wish to continue participating, you must answer our questions and stop prevaricating with quotes from Wikipaedia et al.”
—————-I haven’t wiki’d anything. You might find it hard to believe that I know all the stuff I’m talking about.
September 9th, 2009 at 2:01
Dear Richard @ re: 215
“Most Christians I know don’t have a problem with evolution.”
—————Like you, they must not be keeping up with the latest science.
September 9th, 2009 at 2:15
Dear Malcolm, RE #230
“Another one for you; the whole virgin birth of a god, three wise men, death, resurrection/Jesus story is an EXACT copy of the Osiris myth of several thousand years BCE. ”
—————-You’ve got the myths wrong: Mithras is allegedly the one born of the virgin, Osiris was the one they fantasized rose from the dead. Here’s the facts: Mithras was not born of a virgin, but emerged from a rock and there is not textual evidence of his death, so there could be no resurrection. There is no record Osiris rose from the dead. Instead he became a god of the netherworld. He’s a dead god, always depicted as a mummified king. The Egyptian religion had no concept of resurrection, only of immortality beyond the grave. These are two entirely different concepts. And allow me to remind you: These were stories that started with “Once upon a time….” The Bible records history and include vivid details of things observed personally or chronicled information from the people who were actually there.
“realize that it is a complete myth concocted by men”
————–Because secular historians and archeologists tell me these places, people and things existed.
September 9th, 2009 at 2:46
Dear Malcolm: You asked
“Please tell me why, when the “flood” occured in 2348 BCE (a not insignificant event), it was not noticed at the time by those documenting the Egyptian 5th and the 6th dynasties?”
————-The first settlers of Egypt migrated from the Euphrates River (the site of the Tower of Babel) where the languages were confused after the Flood.
September 9th, 2009 at 8:55
imissbubby @ 271
“The Bible records history and include vivid details of things observed personally or chronicled information from the people who were actually there.”
No it doesn’t.
September 9th, 2009 at 14:55
Dear Quedula,
You said the Bible doesn’t record history.
Would you like me to name a few of the historical events verified by outside sources that it recorded?
September 9th, 2009 at 15:34
imissbubby @274
No, not much, I know the kind of stuff you will produce.
Let’s get this straight. Except in mythology:-
a) Virgins don’t give birth.
b) Dead men don’t walk.
We have come a long way in the last two thousand years, no thanks to religion, yet the possibilities for further discoveries appear endless. One thing is certain the mysteries of existence won’t be unravelled by endlessly pouring over ancient texts and praying to Invisible Magic Friends.
As Robert Heinlein said about theology “it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn’t there, theologians can convince themselves of anything.”
How very true.
September 9th, 2009 at 22:53
Dear Quedula,
Which one is more irrational?
Me believing in a omnipotent God that could produce a supernatural conception and resurrection or you
claiming that
NOBODY:
a.) Spontaneously assembled DNA
b.) Evolved body parts before the whole complex biological system was in place.
September 9th, 2009 at 22:54
Dear Quedula:
The Word of God is eternal. It doesn’t matter when it was written.
September 10th, 2009 at 0:35
Hey imissbubby!
So tell us about those ‘polystrate’ trees again!
Lol!
September 10th, 2009 at 6:54
imissbubby @276 &277
Wow, I’m left gasping at the sophistication of your arguments!
Enjoy your life.
September 13th, 2009 at 18:29
I don’t understand how your paper can continue to publish lies about science:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/evolution/5204104/Pictures-Otter-like-fossil-shows-how-seals-went-from-land-to-sea.html
No fossil is buried with a birth certificate. It is impossible to link fossils into chains of cause and effect in any VALID way. To take a fossil and claim its represents a lineage is not scientific hypothesis that can be tested, but an assertion that has the same validity as a fairy tale. Amusing, but not scientific.
September 13th, 2009 at 19:21
imissbubby@280
You’ve gone over the top now imissbubby. You ARE a troll.
Well you certainly strung us along for a long time.
September 13th, 2009 at 22:19
When a computer is infected with a virus it fails to correctly process the inputs and consequently churns out nonsense; the same applies to the religion/supernatural viruses implanted into human brains as is obviously the case with imissbubby. I presume that in the case of imissbubby, the viruses have had many decades to totally infect the whole brain to the point where it is now incapable of processing any scientific fact and is only capable of disgorging pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo.
As far as I am concerned, all discussion with him/her is now ended as it is a totally fruitless exercise.
September 13th, 2009 at 23:54
Agreed Malcolm!
Fruitless to the point of nuttiness!
September 14th, 2009 at 6:32
@282 & 283
C’mon chaps, where’s your christian charity (whoops – wrong expression)? Kindest to call him/her a troll.
By the way how do you interpret his name? You know what “bubbys” a childish name for? Might explain a lot!
September 18th, 2009 at 12:21
A link for imissbubby:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8259902.stm
September 18th, 2009 at 19:16
I’d just like to draw your attention to this:
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Your support will not only maintain the profile of atheism in the UK, it will also help raise funds for the very worthy THT charity. Please note that the contributors, and Ms Sherine, have waived payment for their considerable input into the “Guide”.
Thank you, and please pass this message on to everyone you know!!
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September 29th, 2009 at 5:39
Dear Quedula:
You sent me a link that shows a big t-rex and a little t-rex they named “Raptorex.”
Do you think this is proof of macro-evolution?
I hope not.
This is proof of micro-evolution: change within a species.
The equivalent of a Great Dane and a Chihuahua. Two dogs…..of the same species.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:42
Dear Richard W:
Can I quote you on this?
“Your religious friends will love it too, or, even better, it’ll put them in a foul mood for Xmas!”
September 29th, 2009 at 5:49
Dear Quedula and Malcolm:
I’m going to use both of your links as examples in my next study:
A man sees two mice of different color and thinks this is proof of Darwinism.
Another man sees two dinosaurs of different sizes and thinks this is proof of Darwinism.
Correct me if I’m wrong about your assumptions because otherwise I’m going to show these as examples of how you don’t need faith to believe in a Creator.
You only need eyes that can see and a brain that works.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:03
imissbubby@287
Look up the difference between “selective breeding” and “natural selection”. Its quite straightforward. Also look up “Occam’s Razor”.
I wouldn’t like to be held responsible for misleading your audience.
September 29th, 2009 at 14:16
Dear Quedula:
The Darwinian theory relies on random (beneficial) mutations as its biological method. A beneficial mutuation has never been observed. We have, however, observed many, many non-beneficial mutuations: a scrambling of the genetic code that produced something lame.
I’ll repeat myself again: Natural selection is not a biological change agent. Its a selection process for traits being conducted by who, exactly?
Guess what the common ancestor of big dogs, little dogs and medium dogs is?
A dog.
I’m glad you brought up Occam’s Razor, “Of several acceptable explanations [for a phenomenon], the most accurate and well-ordered theory of explanation is preferable, provided that it does not contradict the observed facts.”
I’ve looked at all the evidence: fossil, biological, testable, observable and conclude that dogs are a created animal that evolve after their own species. This does not contradict the observable facts.
You, on the other hand, have a lot of splainin’ to do. You want to pick on the Chihuahua example? How about a Great Dane and a Jack Russell Terrier? Common ancestor?
A dog.
September 29th, 2009 at 14:44
Hey imissbubby!
Seen any “polystrate” fossils recently?
Lol!
September 29th, 2009 at 15:53
@291
Natural selection is a slow, continual process conducted by the environment. It is too slow to see it happening. You should read “The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins.
I find it quite staggering imssbubby that you have no insight into the fundamental fallacy at the heart of your method of inquiry. You start with the assumption that there IS a supernatural creator and then you interpret and manipulate the evidence gathered by scientific research (not you) to fit in with or at least not contradict this assumption. Scientists on the other hand examine the evidence they collect and develop a theory to explain it. and surely they are the best people to do this. It is even possible that one day scientists might find some kind of evidence for the creator you so blithely assume; but they haven’t yet.
September 29th, 2009 at 18:23
God is real
peace out!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 16:09
Dear Quedula,
No. I didn’t start with the fallacy there was a Creator. In fact, I was an atheist, like you! I looked at the evidence and said, there’s no proof of Darwinism; only the HOPE that one day, it will be proven. Why am I believing in this?
What I do know is this:
a.) The Law of Cause and Effect is true. If the universe is the effect, what is the cause? The cause had to be outside of space & time. Something does not come from nothing. To say that “something” came from “nothing” is another way of describing magic. If a horse suddenly appears in my living room, that’s “something” from “nothing.” I don’t believe in magic.
b.) DNA cells have language in them. The simplest cell is more complex than a rocketship. Darwin had no way of knowing this. No one did at that time. His theory has been debunked; its old science. We’ve discovered there’s language in the simplest cell. What is the origin of that language? Who or what wrote it? A mind is required to write language.
c.) The fossil record lists only fully formed humans in its discovery no matter how far down we dig. If Darwinism were true, I should be walking through boneyards of transisitional fossils.
d.) Random mutations have never produced beneficial forms. They only scramble the existing gene code and produce something lame that cannot be reproduce itself.
So, I’m asking you…why are you holding on to this old technology of Darwinism? Who cares what Richard Dawkins says. I don’t know what his agenda is. All I care about is what does the evidence show?
Shall I send you a horse & buggy for Christmas to go along with your knowledge of science?
September 30th, 2009 at 16:12
Darwinism is a philosophy based on fortune and luck.
It is not science.
September 30th, 2009 at 16:38
Dear Richard @ 292
Yes, I have. You can too. Next time you’re on holiday, visit:
1.) Joggins Cliffs, Nova Scotia. The Joggins cliffs are even in the process of becoming a World Heritage Site.
2.) Northern and eastern Yellowstone Park (Montana & Wyoming). Multiple layers of vertical trees have been found in the “Eocene” Absaroka Volcanics since the late 1800s.
5.) Ginkgo Petrified Forest State Park in Washington, just north of Vantage on Interstate 90 along the Columbia River. Petrified trees that cut through more than one layer of strata. There are over 200 species of trees from divergent climatic zones—ranging from tropical jungles to the northern plains of Canada and Alaska. Tropical and subtropical trees include eucalyptus, teak, breadfruit, cinnamon, and gum.
6.) Geodetic Hills of Axel Heiberg Island, 80°N latitude in the Queen Elizabeth Islands of northeast Canada. Mummified vertical trees and leaf litters were discovered at a number of levels within weakly developed coal seams in the Geodetic Hills of Axel Heiberg Island. The paleoflora tree is exceptionally well preserved and well studied. Some of the wood is not petrified and can be cut with an ax and burned.
7.) Alaska – 7 km north of Sutton. 80 km northeast of Anchorage.
How do you, Richard, explain trees that have been standing upright for “millions of years”? Logic would say, “Hm. They must have been buried rapidly under some kind of recent, catastrophic event.” What do you say? If you don’t understand what they are just say so. I won’t hold it against you. So please, no cutting and pasting from Talking Origins. I’m interested in your opinion, not your web browsing abilities.
October 1st, 2009 at 6:10
@294 God is Great
Dream on!
October 1st, 2009 at 6:19
re. imissbubby
Does anyone know the emoticon for “tearing out one’s hair”? ;D